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Recount: Primary Results Stand

Kyla Cromer and Channing Ruskell requested the recounts of the Post 1 school board and Post 2 county commission races.

 

The recounts of the Post 1 school board and Post 2 county commission races are done, and the results stand.

Kelly Marlow, former Cherokee County Fire Chief Ray Gunnin and Commissioner Jim Hubbard remained at the top of the pack of their respective races.

Kyla Cromer, who lost the Cherokee County Board of Education contest against Marlow by 24 votes, and Channing Ruskell, who finished last in his three-way race with Hubbard and Gunnin, requested the recounts.

Gunnin received 21 more votes than Ruskell, enough to keep his campaign alive for a runoff with Hubbard.

See the chart for the results and return to Patch later for a video report.

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    Name July 31 Results Today's Recount
    Kyla Cromer 2,949 2,949
    Post 1 BOE Member-Elect Kelly Marlow 2,973 2,973
    Ray Gunnin 2,613 2,613
    Post 2 Commissioner Jim Hubbard 4,299 4,299
    Channing Ruskell 2,592 2,592
    Related Topics: Canton/Cherokee Government, Channing Ruskell, Commissioner Jim Hubbard, Janet Munda, Kelly Marlow, Kyla Cromer, Ray Gunnin, Recount, and participate 2012

    Steely Dan

    8:07 am on Friday, August 10, 2012

    Recount? Why did she need to recount a 24-vote loss in a 6000-vote election??

    Recounts NEVER overturn election results when the margin is this big and the sampling size is this small. What an insult to Janet Munda and the other fine men & women who run our elections and count our votes to even suggest they missed the count that badly last week. Not surprisingly, they were 100% right on Friday's certified results as well as this time-and-$$$-wasting recount.

    How much did Cromer's ego cost the citizens of Cherokee County? Who paid for this complete waste of time - Cromer or the taxpayers??

    Congrats to the Cherokee County elections officials for a well-run primary election. Good luck in November!

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    Steely Dan

    8:07 am on Friday, August 10, 2012

    Obviously these same comments apply to Mr. Ruskell. These people need to do a little bit of research before wasting the time & money of the Cherokee County tax payer. Cherokee County is NOT Dade County, FLA. We don't have 'hanging chads' and crap like that. Our election officials run a very-tight ship and to even suggest they'd miscount that many votes in an election of this size is insulting.

    Does anyone know who pays for this? If the candidates themselves picked up the tab, I will delete these posts.

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    Christine

    8:37 am on Friday, August 10, 2012

    You should delete your posts regardless. Every post I read from you is negative, pompous, arrogant and self-righteous. Having a little grace might further your cause.

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    Mike JB

    9:32 am on Friday, August 10, 2012

    The only thing I think that SHOULD be asked,is who is paying for this? I wont go into arrogance,or ego,or self righteousness,but I will ask if a recount was really necessary.

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    Terry Tucker

    9:32 am on Friday, August 10, 2012

    The arrogance! I can't believe a candidate would exercise their right to a recount in an election decided by 24 votes. What is this country coming to when people do what they are permitted under the law to do?

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    R.L. Federalist

    10:40 am on Friday, August 10, 2012

    Yeah...it could be ego, self-righteousness, arrogance...whatever.

    Or, it COULD be that, when the vote margin is about 4/1000th of a point. the candidates owed it to those people who voted for him or her to request the recount.

    Or maybe I'm just being silly.

    And I wouldn't worry too much about the cost. It probably added up to the cost of a McDonald's extra value meal...

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    Steely Dan

    1:57 pm on Friday, August 10, 2012

    A day's worth of employment of several taxpaid county officials (and they earn every penny) adds up to a cost >>> a McDonald's meal. Both candidates appear to consider themselves 'fiscal conservatives' but that phrase has little meaning these days.

    Apparently some of you folks aren't up to snuff on the accuracy of our voting machines and processes, else you'd recognize how large an insult it is to suggest they'd miscount 20+ votes. It's virtually impossible for the machines to miscount even a single vote in a size of 6000-10000 votes, much less 20+.

    Thankfully, our Board of Elections officials know this - it's why they were 100% correct every time they counted. Our democracy is in safe hands with these people.

    Frank Jones

    1:57 pm on Friday, August 10, 2012

    Steely Dan (or Mikael Kient), I believe fictitious names are not allowed on this site. But that's between you and Rodney.

    On the issue at hand -- Recounts -- you are completely off base! A 24-vote margin is tiny and as RL indicated, it is 4/1000th of a point difference. Any number of issues could cause a mistake in vote totals such as Absentee Votes and Provisional Votes.

    In this country ALL votes are supposed to count...It's the American way. But you would rather for sake of expediency and to save a little money not question the outcome of an election and potentially allow legitimate votes go uncounted? How un-American!

    And to imply that Ms. Cromer and Mr. Ruskell "need to do a little bit of research before wasting the time & money" is a very pompous, arrogant and self-righteous statement from someone who didn't run for office and isn't working within the system to make Cherokee County a better place to live.

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    Steely Dan

    8:32 am on Monday, August 13, 2012

    Frank, attacking the messenger is always the sign of a lost debate. You resort to this tactic often. And you ignore others who are on your side of the aisle, such as 'R L Federalist' and 'Truthseeker'. But I've exposed your hypocrisy enough times before and would rather focus on the topic here:

    You are WAY off base in your recount beliefs. 20+vote margins in elections the size of this recount are never,ever,EVER overturned. 3-5 votes? Perhaps. But never 20+. Feel free to find an example that disproves me. I'll gladly retract that statement if you can.

    The biggest problem here is your ignorance of GA Election laws. The moment the Board of Elections certified the vote on Friday, 8/3/12 was the moment the provisionals and absentee votes became Official. There could be no "number of issues" found after Friday, 8/3/12. There can be no hand-recounting or "FLA hanging-chad" style of nonsense once the Board certifies the Election. The only thing they could do, sans a court order, was--literally--recount the existing votes. Which they did...and which revealed that ALL VOTES WERE COUNTED (twice!!) and DID COUNT. The Board had a 0% margin of error in this election.

    0%. As expected.

    So take your typical, failed, wrong liberal claptrap somewhere else, Frank. The only thing your post revealed was your complete, thorough ignorance of GA Election laws.

    Dean Sheridan

    1:57 pm on Friday, August 10, 2012

    This is a formality. The public's perception about the validity of the process continues to dwindle. This "crowd" will grow. It's the Board’s job to change that perception. They thought they did with the unverifiable electronic machines mess. So I guess you are right - the system is so perfect so we don't need recounts- NOT. In a close election; if there is a real concern with a machine how will they recover the data, making sure it's the same as it was or the machine can verify the original input with the output on a single vote card cast? How do we know if people were supposed to vote in a new area that all those votes were counted in the right area or they got the right ballot to vote their slate? You can't; that's a fact. Please don't kill the messenger here -Some of the results were just too improbable based on the strength or weakness of the Candidate.

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    Steely Dan

    8:32 am on Monday, August 13, 2012

    Dean, that's what the Board is busy doing from Tuesday night of the election through the end of Friday's certification process. Once the board certifies the vote, a recount can only recount the existing votes, rather than challenge individual votes or hand recount. You'd need a court order for that, as well as some sort of proof of possible vote-tampering, shenaniganism (<-- not a word but should be), etc.

    Not trying to kill the messenger (that's Frank's job!). And I agree on some of the results being improbable. But I don't believe this election was tampered with and I do have full confidence in our Board of Elections members and process. I've seen no evidence nor heard anything to the contrary.

    Dean Sheridan

    1:57 pm on Friday, August 10, 2012

    If you’re upset because you think this is an attack on Ms. Monda and the Board's integrity - nothing could be further form my intent. They are all very sharp folks that know how to their job, honestly and precisely. It's a system they inherited. There is room for this group to make significant improvements by talking the first step. I suggest you go to the party meeting tomorrow morning and start talking about it. We do have November elections coming up. The only way to "guarantee 100%" your vote with the current system is a paper ballot because the old regime would not change what needed to be changed with the electronic machines and they could have. The system does allow for a paper ballot though. You must ask or have it mailed in advance. That becomes a permanent verifiable record during a recount.

    As for Ms. Cromer, when she and Ms. Read start talking about "world class education" in as much as I believe the desire the current system they have been advocating for years has made that impossible.

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    Steely Dan

    8:32 am on Monday, August 13, 2012

    I don't think that at all, Mr. Sheridan. I believe you're a man of character and integrity and hope you will run again, as I believe people like you are part of the solution, not the problem.

    Though I see your point re:paper ballots and a trail, I'd counter that human beings cannot match the accuracy and speed of machines in elections as large as these and that the longer an election counting process draws out, the less trust in the process the public will have. Imagine the ATL-area reaction of having to wait days to see the TSPLOST results and the voter rumors that the GDOT was rigging the votes, etc.

    Let's face it - paper ballots can be corrupted easier than a machine and, if individual citizens don't get to see their own ballot being counted, they'd have no idea someone altered theirs. Not that a machine isn't alterable but I believe it's the better of the 2 options when dealing with an election population of the size of Cherokee County, and larger. Imagine the logistical nightmare of having 6000-10000 people demanding to see if their hand-written ballots had been properly counted. It'd be anarchy!

    Dean Sheridan

    9:34 am on Monday, August 13, 2012

    @Steely Dan : Agreed. You see though, the basic changes of "trust but verify" with machines could have all-ready been done. It's to late developing the same scenario you described after a election is questionable. Again, I'm not being accusatory here of our elected officials nor the board - I am of the process they have; by the nature of it, this issue will not go away. I hear more about it from folks every election cycle. It is their job at all costs to protect the integrity of our system. I believe this election cycle is their opportunity to do just that. People often say "Perception is often not reality." I also personalty believe, provided an effort is made in this area we will increase the number of voters - and that;s something we all want. Folks to participate in the process.

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