Really? I saw first hand the police murder a 16 year old boy with NO remorse! I live next door and refused to obey you and go inside. You will pay for what you did by the system you work for. Grief... i saw none. Remorse... none! I guess I would act sorry if I knew I had done wrong. Im appaled by anyone who believes you. First rule never trust a cop, especially one like you whos up for re-election. Guess you got my vote... not. Freedom of speech you cant ignore it.

First rule never trust a cop , really .. and btw freedom of speech has nothing to do with this .. This so called 16 year old boy held his mom at gunpoint .. did he show remorse.. He soaked curtains in alcohol did he show remorse then when he was trying to get the dog out of the house to set it on fire. This 16 year old who knows whats guns can do pointed it at a cop .. that is a threat period.

Really the more I read this the angrier I get. No dialouge, bs, I heard it all. You told him to come to the door. Get your story straight bc eventually all those lies are going to bite you in the behind. I hope he never gets reelected bc I fear for all the children. Karma always comes around in the end and for you my sir its going to be a HUGE B*TCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You fear for all the children . How many kids have been shot by sheriff deputys in cherokee county since his election.. the TRUTH is the 16 year old young adult had a gun , took his mom hostage , his mom even said that to the 911 operator. His mom said he loaded the gun. You seem to forget mr or mrs truth that these cops had families too and when the gun is pointed at them that is a threat. All your doing is screaming and ranting , you think its ok for a person to take his mom hostage , you think its ok for them to try to burn down a house .. He was a danger to his self and others , if he shot that 357 it was going to go somewhere , either in a cop or in a home nearby and guess what then it could hit someone else..

Wait my first comment was erased so I guess I will state it again. I first hand witnessed our local enforcement agency MURDER a 16 year old child!!! I live next door and refused to obey police orders to go inside. When the first round of cops (4 officers with rifles) I knew things were not going to end good. Guess what my intuition was right. The truth will come out in the end. I have the videos to prove it. I guess I would act sorry if I had done wrong, but from my stand point no remorse was shown. Grief... non-existent. I guess your up for re-election and by what I saw... you got my vote...NOT!!!!! Grow some balls... and quit being scared of Children! He was the scared one with snipers all around. In the end YOU will face the system that you work for and I hope you sit behind bars for what you did. By the way no sorry will ever bring this kid back and I hope you never forget that! Oh and if you erase my comment I will post it again. I can copy and paste all day bc I am not working, but shouldnt you be working?

I am not a fan of Roger but my husband has worked in law enforcement and I have been there console him after CPR didn't work on an infant. I've been there when he looked at a dead girl who's parent's killed her. I've been there when he came home and said he did everything he could but that drunk teen in the car didn't make it! Shame on you to categorize all law enforcement together!! I don't know what your job is but I'm sure there are people in your profession who could care less! That doesn't mean you are them! Shame! Unless you know that officer that made that decision, you're opinion is worthless!
Next time you have someone breaking in your door or someone harms a family member of yours, I hope you remember these judgements you make and DON'T call 911! You don't deserve them to help you- especially for the amount of money they make doing it! You make me sick!!!

then post the videos ,and you do know when a mom calls 911 saying i am being held hostage by my son with a gun that police are going to show up with weapons.. they are not issued water guns or nerf guns or happy flowers to give out to people .. the young adult kept threatening and he had a gun .. are you going to tell me he wouldnt have shot someone .. btw if your close enough to get a video and he somehow aims that 357 tword you there is a chance he would have shot you .... also you didnt answer the question about how many kids have been shot by sherriff or his deputies since you fear for all the children

RIP Andrew. Thanks to the person that shot him, half the students at Marietta high school are now devastated. Thanks for taking my friends life. I love you Andrew.

They may have told him to come to the, they sure as hell didn't tell him to stick a .357 magnum through the window. The police had no choice but to shoot, don't you think this kid knew that??? His stupidity has consequences. It is ALWAYS the same, pull a gun on ANY cop and you get shot!

The suspect was armed, and threatening to maim, kill, and burn. He had taken a hostage. He was beginning to follow through on his threats to burn down a home. The police have to believe his words especially when he begins to follow through! It is a shame that the young man was shot, but that is a result of his own horrific choices, and not the police's actions. Think of all the fathers, sons, and brothers who were mere feet away from danger. Would this young man have to kill to be taken seriously?

Perfect!!!! Great post !

Don't forget wives and daughters too .. Women as cops are in the same dangers.. I feel for all the students who lost a friend, but guns are not magical they dont shoot on their own. Someone has to pull the trigger and the kid had the gun in his hand and was a threat..

what about the other options like tear gas or shooting him somewhere that isn't fatal? why couldn't they have that ready for use with the gun? what he did is terribly wrong but aren't there ways to avoid taking the kids life?

Cops on a power trip murdered a sixteen year old boy who never fired a shot

David it is cool these days to hate cops and military people .. it is just the way it is , really is probably a teen who is trying to grieve .. God forbid he ever have anyone bust into his house and hold him hostage .. or her whichever

I would like to know if the mother is glad she called the cops.

Here is the 911 call from Andrew Messina's mother. Please be advised that this is not edited before you listen to it: http://patch.com/A-sVq9

Really what do you think .. Do you think she would be glad if he shot her .. do you think the dad would have been glad.. Do you seriously think the husband would have been happy of glad if the kid would have killed her , or do you seriously think that the family is glad that he is dead .. grow up for God's sake .. it is a tragedy either way you look at it. Do you think that cop really wanted to shoot a 16 year old .. are you just posting to see how many people you can piss off .. What would have happened if the kid shot the mom ,burnt the house and then shot a neighbor because the mom didnt call 911 .. i think we all wish this would have ended some other way

Let me ask you a question. Let me start by saying this, I admittedly didnt not read ALL of the comments posted so I apologize if someone has already hit on this subject.

You stated that you "REFUSED" to "OBEY" orders to stay back or go inside or get away... What if... When he busted through the glass he had of fired that weapon and you were the one on the receiving end of the bullet?

Would you still feel the way you do now?... Or would your family share the same thoughts as you right as they plan your funeral.... Would the question on their minds be "Why didnt they do something to stop him before he had the chance to hurt someone else?"

How about if he had of set his house ablaze, and with it went yours, or a neighbors? Would you then be so quick to judge the actions of split second to react?

Taking aim at our sheriff or his deputies and other law enforcement for doing the best job they could in that situation is not the answer. trust me when I tell you he (Sheriff Roger Garrison) isn't sitting at home right now excited about the days events yesterday, nor is the sniper that was forced to make a decision that will probably follow him forever. If he had not shot, and the suspect did set a fire, a fire that resulted in other fires that injured or possible killed others, or if he did not shoot and someone else was shot by the young man... He would have that on his shoulders too.

Tragic... absolutely tragic... but unfortunately ... unavoidable.

My prayers go out to both the family of Andrew and the police force. I know it can never be easy going into that kind of situation and have it result in a death, even if it means the safety of the public. Taking a life is never easy, no matter how justified.
Why don't we all just take a step back and realize that everyone is grieving and that pointing fingers and calling names isnt going to help anything. next time you talk, make sure you think about what you're saying before you post it.
Again, my prayers go out to everyone involved in this situation. God bless

Hey "Really" and "Truth", you guys apparently have it all figured out. Why don't you two just go tell Sheriff Garrison that you're there to take over all future crisis situations. You two clearly don't need any of the intense training that is required to do the incredibly hard job of a hostage negotiator or any Law Enforcement officer. I said it on the other forum. No one is happy about this. There is no power trip. You two are probably kids who have never really experienced life yet. Please enlighten us all with your vast life experience some more.

May Andy Messina RIP :(

This is truly a terrible story. I feel for the family. This shouldn't have happened, but I agree with some of the commenters above - he was threatening to kill and showing every sign that he was going to go through with killing others, so I believe the cops had to do something.

I do wish the SWAT team member who killed him had waited until the boy actually fired a shot to shoot him. According to the story, the boy pointed the gun through the front door glass, but didn't actually fire. I guess he was about to fire then? I also wish they could have brought someone in who was trained to speak with people who are clearly having an episode to get them to back down and stop doing what it is they're threatening to do. Maybe a psychiatrist or therapist?

Question - One of the interesting things here to me is that he was on Zoloft and an ADHD stimulant and from the sound of the 911 call, he was having a total psychiatric meltdown. I'd like to know if the combination of these drugs contributed to his behavior. I wonder, did he stop taking them? Was he taking them and his frame of mind was caused by them? Did he recently start taking them? This is very sad. I'm just tired of hearing about adults and kids who go postal on these medicines. It's fishy. Prayers to his family and friends.

They said they had someone who was trained talking to him all he did was cuss back. Sadly if the cop would have waited then a different cop would be dead possibly or the bullet may have hit someone across the street or all sorts of scenarios..

I just read he had been drinking. Yep, that plus his medications likely contributed to his terrible state of mind. Again, this is terrible. I'm still tired of reading about people going postal and doing crazy violent things to themselves or others while on these medications.

I am grieving for the officer that had to make the tough decision. Thank you for making them everyday! I am grieving for the mother who lost her son. Who it sounds like has had several months of challenges- but never thought a call to 911 would end like this. I am grieving for a boy and only knew briefly but was a wonderful loving child when I knew him. This is a terrible terrible situation.

the whole thing brings to mind "suicide by cop" - to many things add up to that being my thoughts anyway - as one of his own friends stated he was drinking and on mental health meds and had been bullied at school - gets the gun - as it states on the 911 tape the mother felt he was gonna harm himself - wants to take his life but cant do it himself so he forces the cops to do it for him - just my thoughts anyways

You guys are stupid. Andrew was always depressed, he has tried committing suicide several times and he was scared to. He was a smart kid and knew that if he made an aggressive action that he would get shot. He had no intentions to actually harm anybody but himself. He would never hurt his mom, he loved her. He just wanted out. It wasn't some maniacal rage induced by alcohol and his lack of medication. He took anti-depressants, insomnia medication, and methylphenidate which is an ADHD medicine. Not taking those wouldn't make him do this, he wanted to die so he got himself killed. It's as simple as that.

exactly "suicide by cop" he wanted out but couldnt do it himself so he forced the police to do it for him

If he would have never hurt anyone then why did he load the weapon ..

Really?

bring it i will exspose the truth!!!

It would be interesting to know if the sheriff's office trains their officers to deal with people who have a mental illness. I don't want to pass too much judgement on the office because I don't know the story that well. The bottom line is a kid is dead and officers have to live with it.

Andy was a sweet kid who did suffer from some issues. It wasn't his intention to hurt anybody but himself. I've been having the hardest time grasping the fact that I won't get to see him being goofy and making everybody laugh at lunch, singing songs keeping everyone entertained, or making me smile on my worst days. Instead of arguing keep in mind that I just lost one of my friends and I didn't even get to say goodbye. I watched everyone cry at lunch and felt like a horrible person because I saw my friends grieving and knew there was absolutely NOTHING that I could do. I heard kids making rude comments about how he deserved to die. People are rude and need to respect that we all just lost someone close and apart of our community.

He wasn't bipolar, that's all nonsense, he was just depressed..

If Andy wanted to hurt somebody he would have, and has anybody listened to the 911 calls? His mother stood on the deck in the backyard while he was somewhere in the house. Andy would not have hurt her. He just needed help. R.I.P. Andy

just because his mother stayed on the porch does not mean he wouldnt have hurt her.. everyone says he was just depressed ect but noone here knows his state of mind during this episode.

Are you really saying you don't want to reelect him? "waters" has illegally put up his signs, he tore down someone's billboard and put up his own ILLEGALY, he wrote a completely FALSE news paper article that was checked and then te cherokee tribune had to write another article. You guys are stupid for saying you won't reelect him for something the sniper did.

I'm shocked that everyone is still saying the mom was a hostage. She clearly was asked to leave and she wouldn't. She even said she did not think he would shoot her, but himself. So again I'm not understanding this situation. Why was he ever shot? This whole situation is ridiculous.

attempting to gain votes off such a tragedy speaks LOUDLY of the lack of character in that person - soooo sad - anyone that would turn this tragedy into a political thing has no respect for the citizens of this county or for life itself
- Forget ur child is deceased i coulda done better - makes me want to puke!!!

Praying for the Mother I can't imagine what she's going through. Praying for all of the law enforcement officers, I'm sure they didn't want the outcome to be this. Praying for the students as they continue to grieve. Being a parent of a student that attends the same school I shudder at the thought of what could have happened if the gun had made it's way to school in a book bag. Another Columbine? Prayers continuing for all involved.

It's hard to see people grieving and not being able to understand because I never had the opportunity to have met him. I've heard great things about Andrew and I am praying for his family. It's very tragic. Regardless of our opinions, he did not deserve what he went through but we cannot change the past. All I can do is pray for peace and comfort for his family, friends, and the sniper and his family at this point.

To Anonymous Girl: "So you're saying if that had been your mom/ dad at that scene as the negotiator, you'd prefer he shoot them before the sniper took him out? Or if you were his neighbor, you'd prefer to take the chance that he shoots you dead before the police did something?"

Anonymous Girl, to your first question, essentially yes. To your second question, we can play the game of "what if" all day long.

I personally think in a situation like this, with a 16-year-old kid who has no ungodly idea what he is doing because of his mental issues, you wait until he fires the first shot before you take his life. And by "you," I mean a trained member of a law enforcement SWAT team who is outfitted with protection from his/her head to his/her toes. I mean someone who has been trained to handle themselves in situations like this and someone who understands that when they agreed to put on that uniform, they were taking a risk. I could care less if anyone agrees with me. That's the beauty of America folks.

FYI to the people on this board-
David Payton is unemployed and sits at home all day blogging while his wife works.
David Payton did not know the parents or the child well.
David has no children (only ugly dogs)
Speaking of bi-polar David spends most weekends waking up the neighbors on lcd and Azaela Court screaming at his wife, at least until she stomps out of the house crying.
Dave get a life and put on a SHIRT

My prayers go out to this young mans family and to the officers who were involved im just glad they all made it home safely

To the Editor - why are you leaving up some of these posts that are blatant personal attacks? Guess this one will be deleted as was the other one I put on here.

Yeah just like my comment that got deleted cause I'm defending the police. But the ones that wanna yell at police about how "wrong" they did, when in fact the police did the right thing and took the threat away. But like I said before everyone has to have someone to blame and its always the police so people dont have to face reality.

I looked at the website, thanks. Watch out Adele !
Will he be on "American Idol" or the "Biggest Looser" in 2013
Let America Vote

I looked at the website, thanks. Watch out Adele !
Will he be on "American Idol" or the "Biggest Looser" in 2013
Let America Vote

They should have just cleared the area, and diffused the situation. They dont need a swat team for one teenager that lost his mind.

Maybe they had to shoot him cause that neighbor wouldnt go back in the house like the cops told him to, and they were afraid a civilan may get hurt .

Dave, it was hardly a hostage situation .. Listen to the 911 call .. His mom was on the back deck while the kid was inside the house, for you to say she was held hostage is ludicrous.. The police are just saying that to justify what they did to that poor kid. And the fact that you have video and photos of the situation shows what an insensitive moron you are ..

saw and heard most everything; mother and father were outside the house and down the street; officers REPEATEDLY asked Andrew to not point the gun; didn't hear any glass breaking but front inside door was open; TWO SHOTS were fired from different guns

I think there's issues on both sides. Why was there alcohol and a firearm available to him? Why did the shot fired on a kid have to be fatal and not debilitating? It seems there's imformation missing and people are assuming anyways. This is hardly anything to be arguing over. I feel respect should go out to all parties involved.

I would like to see a full an independent investigation of what happened. I hate to second guess our officers. I do question leadership and in this case the "fish stinks from the head". If Garrison gave the order he should stand up and explain his actions. If he isn't better prepared to handle a situation like this he needs to be gone. Garrison had time on his side. His only risk was that the boy would hurt himself or damage property. Forcing the issue wasn't the answer. Pack you office Roger!

I'm just sick to death of all of this mess. Politics, disagreements amongst the Eagle Watch residents, and rumors. I am a parent that cared for Messina (that's what we called him) because he was very close in my son's circle. First, he was talented and very respectful and funny. Second and most important, RIGHT, WRONG OR INDIFFERENT, he did not deserve to die, as has been said. We're in tears over here, and then get the joy of reading this stuff. I know, freedom of speech and all, but damn - does this have to go on right now??? Feel for his parents! They're good people. Their lives will never be the same. Feel for our children who have to deal with this! Everything that you say may be relevant, but just not right now... please... can we just lay Messina to rest? Nothing you're saying will change that end result. No disrespect - I'm just frustrated.

GP - First , for clarity's sake, when I said (specifically) 'no disrespect', that meant that I was not disrespecting any of you or your opinions. (However, you still felt the need to come back at me like you just did). I'm looking for the good words and the support where it needs to be - and yes, I'm trying to make sense of it, as well. For me and my son. No doubt in my mind, for one minute, about how hard this is on you all. And you're right - I won't be reading this blog anymore. Again, I'm looking for words of support. Thank you for your reply.

For everyone saying "wing" him. They don't train police to shoot to wound they shoot to kill. Hence deadly force. I know little of the incident but LEO'S get hours of training each year. It's unfortunate the kid was killed yes but you get a split second to make a decision rather to pull or not. Then folks everywhere gets days,weeks, months, and years to second guess it. Bottom line put yourself in their shoes. 3 cop rules. 1. You go home at the end of watch. 2. Your zone partners do the same. 3. Repeat 1 & 2 again each shift. If you have a gun and point it at the Police that's suicide by cop. Either way people would bash law enforcement because either outcome is undesirable. U don't shoot he kills someone then he dies. U shoot he kills no one he dies. Either way someone loses their life. Its tragic but no need to crucify anyone. Let the GBI or some other agency do an investigation instead of a Kangaroo Court of a bunch of rich people who complain about everything

For those of you who have questions about the procedures and protocol the SWAT team follows, including the snipers, we spoke to the captain of the Cherokee County SWAT team for more answers. Check here to see what he had to say: http://patch.com/A-sXgT

You peolple are dumb. You can't reason with a lemming. Throw tear gas.... Storm the door.... Shoot darts?!? lol This is not a video game! It's real life, with real life dangers. Why do you all even reply to their redonkulous comments? Obviously they just want to argue about things they know nothing about. And the neighbor across the road, get a life! How can you come on here and make comments about the editor?? If they don't like your post they will delete it no matter how many times you post it.

Here's how simple this all is. By pointing a gun at an officer, Andrew got what he DESERVED. the sad part is, he got what he WANTED...

I believe as a community we need to stop trying to lay blame to an individual, whether it is a person or entity. After listening to the 911 call it is obvious that the poor mother was in fear when her son pointed the gun at her. I believe it is unfair to judge without all of the facts but it is a right of all citizens of this county to question actions taken by any government entity. If we do not question the things that happen and challenge the outcome we cannot grow as a community. That being said it is highly inappropriate and immoral to place blame without the complete story. That sniper did his job, however distasteful it ended up being. That mother did her job when she could not handle the situation at home. And we are all doing our job as citizens to evaluate whether this is a community we choose to raise our children in. I do not believe police tried to provoke that young man into a confrontation; they likely did what had worked so often in the past. Please consider how your actions/comments affect the rest of our community, a family that is grieving and a police department that is saddened. I cannot imagine how tragic it is for the people who knew and associated with the family but please consider their feelings above your own outrage at the outcome.

Surely you must realize the Sheriff is aware there are video recordings of the incident that could become public knowledge and he would not lie to cover up anything. This is the same man who was forthright about the missteps with the little girl so heinously murdered in Canton. Please be considerate of the torment everyone involved is going through. And if you have video please provide it to the GBI as opposed to bragging about it. That video could make a difference the next time we all have to deal with any situation like this. It is very sad that this has happened in our community please don’t let it tear us apart. Please pray for everyone involved to find peace.

I did repeat what I heard several officers, neighbors and a GBI agent told me. I had no reason to disbelieve that many separate people. I apologize for anything I said to hurt or offend anyone. I lost an aunt and a cousin I grew up with in seperate incidents this week as well as a fatal police standoff across the street from my house. Now my angry neighbors are insulting and slandering me on the web. I may have let my emotions get too much control over me. I should have thought things through before I posted.

Melissa, I don't know you, but whatever I have said or done to make you so angry, hateful and mean, I'm sorry. I will personally apologize to the Messina's for anything I said in my emotionally agitated state to hurt or offend them.

I profusely apologize for my misinformed remarks. Emotions ran high and I believed what I was told by authorities and neighbors. I have learned a huge lesson about keeping my emotional rants to myself until I know the facts. Andrew never held his mother hostage. He was apparently not even bipolar. I was told he was a drug dealer too, which I did NOT believe. I am SO sorry for running my mouth, and inadvertently hurting people who are already in umimaginable pain.

Reject
Charlotte Payton
6:10 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012
To the Prentice's daughter Melissa on Azalea Springs at The Prentice's house:
For your information, my husband, David Payton, is a very successful, accomplished, full-time, Grammy-nominated working musician. He works nights and weekends every week, just like all musicians do. Your comments are ignorant, false and slanderous. Just because he doesn't sit in a cubicle all day doesn't mean he is unemployed. It means he makes a very good living using his God-given talents and people pay him well for it.

Melissa-
Apparently you are interested in being sued for libel and slander. I'm sure you're parents are so proud. This is notice that you are hereby commanded to cease and desist immediately from making any further false, accusatory, inflammatory, slanderous and/or libelous statements and from making any statements whatsoever regarding my husband, myself or any other member of my family. You are not to post anything about us, mention our names, approach us, trespass on our property, or contact us in any way, shape or form. If you do, it will be considered a threat and harassment and we will be forced to take legal action action against you and to pursue all legal remedies.
Govern yourself accordingly.

Melissa,
Unlike my husband, I will not let this slide. I have made records of all your attempts to defame mine and my family's character and will be turning a copy over to your parents, turning a copy over to my attorney tomorrow (where I work as a paralegal), and filing a report with the police.
In addition, I demand that you delete every reference you have made to me, my husband, my family, my pets, my property, etc. and retract every statement you have made regarding us. Defamation of character is a CRIME in the State of Georgia. We will not only be pressing criminal charges, but we will also be seeking monetary damages in civil court as well.

Melissa:
In addition, I find your obsession with my husband and our family unhealthy, frightening and disturbing, to say the least. I believe the best course of action at this point is for us to take legal action to prevent your actions from escalating any further. From the unstable tone of your postings, I am concerned what additional harm you may be capable of.

Melissa, let's keep the focus on the story at hand.

This story that Garrison told is one lie after the other! Please everyone Vote on July 31st for a change, Vote WATERS. Garrison said he had it to do over, he "would not change anything". This man is a BULLY. His motto should be "shoot first and ask questions later". He condoned the killing of a 16 year old boy, and lied about it. Plain and simple!

I am wondering if or why the thread for the petition regarding Andrew Messina was taken down. I tried to find it yesterday and it was gone after just having read it on Monday night. It is not there again today. Any others not able to find it? The last comment was someone calling another poster "BO" out on being really being David Waters. It being taken down makes you kinda go HMMMMM? Now if this one gets deleted it is really going to confirm it! IMO if you put something out there for people to comment on then you should allow them to be able to do exactly that!

the door was double pain tempered glass door. i would like to rein-act the door scene. Take a hammer and hit the glass holding the hammer about half up the handle to make it as short as the gun. its not that easy to break it. and to go through two. is next to imposable. further more they say he stuck his hand through the broken glass and pointed it at the deputies (not police) and cut his arm up. imposable. the glass shatters into thousands of little pieces. its made that way so you don't cut yourself if you break it. I still don't know what law the kid was breaking. its not against law to tell the deputies to leave you alone in your own home, or to get out a gun, or load it, or supposedly break a window. i still believe the deputies bullet broke the glass. The ignorant sheriff (and his deputies) even tell you they don't know if he shoot through the glass or broke it. so our incompetent department can't tell the difference between the sound glass breaking and a .357 magnum being discharged. There are so many holes in their story. Watch garrison interview he keeps looking down and to the left. Tell tell sigh that hes lying or hiding something. Ether way we don't need people with that little of temperament on our force. with out a change i will not be calling 911 on any disturbance i have a better chance of living on my own.

The petition was put up here without permission. If you would like to read the petition go to change.org. If you agree then sign it and if you dont agree, dont sign it. It is just like voting, it is your right to vote and it is your right not to vote.

I dont believe toes were stepped on. I suppose anyone can write whatever they want but as i understand it even in the patch every post has to be "approved". That does seem to infringe on freedom of speech. If you arent careful about what you say then they have a right to deny posting it. Not fair.
The petition itself has nothing to do with Waters or Garrison. The petition is strictly for improvement to save a life in the future. I hope you understand the concept and help us in our efforts by signing the petition. Thank you for reading it.

Wahrheit- I do know the definition of forensics. It does have anything to do with physics or common sence you yak squeeze.

FOR ALL YOU PEOPLE WHO DRINK THE DAILY GARRISON KOOL AID AND STILL BELIEVE HE "DID ALL THEY COULD DO AND WOULDN'T CHANGE A THING"... READ THIS -http://smyrna.patch.com/articles/armed-subject-barricaded-inside-smyrna-apartment