This is such a complex issue, it boggles the mind. There are so many layers to the issue, so many stories, we have to wonder how do we find out what's really and truly TRUE?
It seems like whenever people suggest changes to "the way things have always been", there will be those who emphatically resist. Change is hard: it invariably means work and stretching out of a well-established comfort zone. Change can mean a paradigm shift and usually a "dethroning" of someone who doesn't want to give up his/her seat. Change is scary: what will happen? Better the devil we know than the devil we don't, right?
And so, when change comes, it usually comes despite great opposition. Galileo was excommunicated for his suggestion that the Earth is not the center of the Universe. Dr. Martin Luther King lost his life working to bring his vision of the equality of all people to reality. How many people fought for women's right to vote or go to college? Change is hard but it means growth and life.
So what are those who are striving to change Georgia's education system trying to achieve? I've heard rumors of really nefarious plans (some approaching the absurd – no one is going to open Taliban training camps in Georgia, okay?) Why are they trying to change the status quo? If Amendment One is passed, what do we Georgians stand to gain? What do we stand to lose?
Okay, let's look at the status quo. How is Georgia's education system doing? Is a change even warranted? Depending on the source, Georgia places around 47th or 48th in national ranking of K-12 education. Our graduation rate is shameful! – somewhere around 65% – and that's in FIVE years, not four. Maybe it's time to take an honest look at ourselves and acknowlege that things really aren't so great. Maybe it's time to fight for our kids' futures. No one would ever deliberately cripple them or put them in harm's way. But, by protecting the status quo, are we doing just that? After all, isn't this issue about our kids and their best interest?
There ARE some very good traditional public schools here in Georgia. There ARE some amazing, passionate teachers. But, unfortunately, there are many bad schools and lousy teachers. This is a state vote – you are speaking for what happens in all of Georgia – and I know there are many parents who are desperate for options for their children.
I recently got into a conversation with a friend of mine about this issue. Not understanding all of what is going on, he's nervous to vote for the amendment thinking a "no" vote means things stay the same as they are today. This is not true. If Amendment 1 is not passed, the state cannot approve charter schools any more – period. Any current state charter schools have to close thier doors. They lie dead at the feet of the school boards who deny them. There is NO way for a charter school to pass if a local school board denies it. Period.
We are so lucky that this county does a mostly good job– but that is not true for every county in Georgia – nor does it mean every child is getting what he/she needs to do well. If your child is in a great school and has great teachers, you have no reason to change a thing. A "yes" vote does not mean you have to – but it does mean someone else gets a choice. It means that you believe that parents who do not have a situation that best serves their child(ren) should be able to find other options.
Emily
2:41 pm on Monday, October 22, 2012
I am scared to death that the amendment won't pass. Because if all the state charter school closes, which my son is in, he will have to go back to a poor performing school. I don't want my son to fall behind when he is getting the best education that he can get right now. Why should you decide what is best for my son when your children are performing adequately in the schools that they are in? Why can't my son be in a school that is best for him? This isn't even about money because the money that my property taxes produce go to a poor performing school. Not the school that my son is in. This is about my child, and your child and how they are to get the best education possible for them as individuals. Please vote yes to the amendment and let me make the decision on behalf of my child to get him the best education possible. Don't take away my right to choose.
Kara Martin
2:42 pm on Monday, October 22, 2012
I agree 100% with much of this. I think that many times when someone mentions "change" people get nervous. For the most part people don't like the unknown. When it comes to education I think there is a need for change, especially in Georgia. Come on, 41 other states have charter school authorizer's aside from the local board and it is working great for them. Why is Georgia so unwilling to allow this? We are not remaking the wheel people. Children in this state are struggling when it comes to being supplied the basic educational opportunities needed for their future. Why? This Amendment allows 1 thing and 1 thing only, An appeals process. And only If the community wants a Charter School, and the local board has denied it. Then the state charter school commission would review the application. This does not mean the state would approve it, the application has to be in order and the school has to show real promise. Again, the state commission that was previously in order only approved 16 of the more then 80 applications. And of those only 13 opened. What this also means is that if your county has great schools and the community does not want a Charter then none can be started there. But it also means, in places like Clayton (where the children have lost and are in danger again of losing accreditation) there can be another option for those children. Those who want this amendment talk about the kids and those against it talk about the money. The choice is obvious.
Laura O'Keefe
10:27 pm on Monday, October 22, 2012
Well written! Lets fight for our kids!
Monty Brewster
10:27 pm on Monday, October 22, 2012
I heard that if this amendment passes there will be no more high school football in the state of Georgia. In fact, UGA and other state supported public universities will also have to cancel the rest of their football season.
Kara, when is your lawsuit against the charter schools going to hit the courts to stop them from harassing their employees with emails to support the amendment in an advertisement?
Debbie Pascoe
12:05 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Well, THAT'S a new one! So, supporting charter schools eliminates high school and college football... No. The kids will still be playing football. hahahaha!
Kelly A.
6:25 am on Wednesday, October 24, 2012
I heard monkeys fly....???!!!!
I assure you there will always be football! I think I may send Richt your blog so he can see what people will say in an effort to scare people.
Monty Brewster
6:25 am on Wednesday, October 24, 2012
Debbie, I do apologize as my sarcasm may have mislead you. I thought you would understand about misleading comments seeing that your entire article is false, misleading, and ridiculous. Saying that charters will close if this Amendment fails is like saying all roads closed when T-SPLOST was voted down.
If A1 does not pass, there is not any other legislation that will automatically pass that would do the opposite. There is no mysterious Amendment [-1]. The state currently has the ability to approve charter schools, otherwise CCA would not exist in its current state. Charters will not be closed. They are already receiving additional funding. It is sad that people like yourself are trying to spread fear to parents of children enrolled in charter schools. This is a desperate attempt to fool parents and voters.
What is more realistic is that if A1 does pass, the following will occur:
1. School districts will continue to receive less funding each year as funds are being redirected to charters instead.
2. School district class sizes will soar even higher than they are currently.
3. School districts will be forced to use even more furlough days... 12-15 next year?
Overall, very few students will benefit from this Amendment while the majority suffer even further with they underfunded, overcrowded public schools. This amendment will not solve our educational issues. It will not close the achievement gap. Change is needed, but it is not through this Amendment.
Common Sense
5:59 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
This is the most ridiculous thing that I've ever read.
FACT: NO state commissioned charter school will close if this amendment fails. This is FEAR MONGERING at its finest. Many have five year charters, for crying out loud, with 3 and 4 years left. ALL of which can be renewed by the state board upon their renewal dates.
Do your homework before voting on November 6th. And VOTE NO TO A BIGGER GOVERNMENT, AND MORE BUREAUCRACY!
No More Bullies
12:05 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Kara Martin is wrong. This amendment is NOT "just an appeals process." read the legislation. It allows charter schools (not "local communities") to apply directly to this commission if they seek a "statewide attendance zone." They bypass the local process entirely. Kara, what would change at CCA if it had a statewide attendance zone? Nothing. Maybe a few students would enroll from neighboring counties, but the company does not provide transportation, so what do they care how far parents drive? Now that tax digests have eroded away, charters get a better deal with the state (2.5 times the state funding) than they would with the local property tax (going down again next year), so there is NO incentive to even apply locally.
Debbie Pascoe
12:04 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
I'm sorry, Common Sense, but I don't know where you are getting your information. The fact is that EVERY state commissioned charter school will lose its charter if this amendment is not passed. Because of a ruling on the constitutionality of a state board's right to accept/renew charters, if this amendment does not pass, state schools cease to exist. It seems you have some misinformation there -- and there is much to be had. But the fact is that many schools will close their doors at the end of this school year forever if this amendment does not pass.
No More Bullies
4:38 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Please cite an actual source for this mandated closure, Debbie Pascoe (specifically someone or some docuemtn from the State Department of Education, which holds these charters). Not election propaganda, but an actual source.The charter agreements, all posted on the state DOE website, are not dependent on the passage of this amendment. The state schools who received special two-year charters are going through the renewal process right now, due Nov. 1 to the State. Seems an exercise in futility if their fate is actually decided Nov. 6?
mfecope@gmail.com
6:25 am on Wednesday, October 24, 2012
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/17/education/17georgia.html?_r=0
No More Bullies
10:11 am on Wednesday, October 24, 2012
That article was written in 2011, before the State approved the 16 schools as "special schools,"-- it was the commission-approved schools that were unconstitutional, not those approved by the State BOE. This article was also written before this amendment went through the legislature. I am asking for a state document or named source in the State Department of Education, like Louis Erste, who has said that the state chartered special schools will be closed if the amendment does not pass. Debbie is saying it is a fact, I am just asking for a source.
mfecope@gmail.com
6:25 am on Wednesday, October 24, 2012
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/17/education/17georgia.html?_r=0
Please read. This article written by ny times clearly states that the ruling says only local BOE. Can create charter schools so....State opened schools are illegal. So all charter schools will close.
mfecope@gmail.com
6:25 am on Wednesday, October 24, 2012
http://m.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fatlantaunfiltered.com%2F2011%2F05%2F16%2Fsupremes-strike-down-ga-charter-school-law%2F&h=hAQE1PK7w&enc=AZOyvcGv7Fey819UB4Z3_I5a2Umx66c9OFS5Rar2VfUAvAO_JBJgaydwV_ZL6oxvkC9I6ASSPRb6FnQQWtqSrtLRJ_D08a6lvWoeg1GCaMML-w&s=1
mfecope@gmail.com
6:25 am on Wednesday, October 24, 2012
Another link for you to review.
mfecope@gmail.com
6:25 am on Wednesday, October 24, 2012
Www.nytimes.com/2011/05/17/education/17georgia.
Html?_r=0
mfecope@gmail.com
6:25 am on Wednesday, October 24, 2012
Can't paste for some reason. Google case law georgia courts charter. Scroll down to atlanta unfiltered. Read the ruling.
Only local BOE can create schools. Doesn't include state BOE. Says local.
Debbie Pascoe
10:11 am on Wednesday, October 24, 2012
It comes down to this: are our kids being taken care of the best they can by the schools they have? I say they are not. As voters, as parents, we can do something to fix the situation. There are SO MANY kids dropping out and many more graduating with less than they need to succeed. Something has to be done. This is an excellent first step.
No More Bullies
4:51 pm on Thursday, October 25, 2012
It comes down to this: can you provide documentation for your claim that all state special schools will close if this amendment does not pass? A NY Times article from 18 months ago, before the amendment existed, is not validation of your claim.
Frank Jones
11:15 am on Sunday, October 28, 2012
Debbie...the drop out rate has little to do with traditional vs charter but has much to do with socio-economic issues of the student's families...The relative importance of education in the student's home, the family structure, family income, the neighborhood in which the student lives, etc. Charters aren't designed to cater fix the socio-economic factors which lead to drop-out rates.
Debbie Pascoe
10:11 am on Wednesday, October 24, 2012
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/17/education/17georgia.html?_r=1&
No More Bullies
4:51 pm on Thursday, October 25, 2012
Still waiting for a source, Debbie. An 18-month-old news clip written before the state BOE approved these schools and before the amendment legislation was passed is not relevant. Show me where an official with the State DOE says these schools will close.
Debbie Pascoe
5:39 pm on Thursday, October 25, 2012
Okay, No More Bullies. Let's just say that the amendment does not pass and that somehow, the schools that were approved by it stay open. Let's say that the existing schools get approved by the local school boards when their charters run out. I STILL say it means that no future charters will get passed. You must have really awesome schools around you that put out amazing results. Sadly, this is not true of everyone in GA. We have some very good reasons to be working to improve schools in GA. I will stand by that all day long.
Monty Brewster
10:15 am on Friday, October 26, 2012
Really? "I STILL say it means..."??? So it is whatever you say it is because that's what Debbie Pascoe says.
No More Bullies
10:15 am on Friday, October 26, 2012
You agree you were not truthful in the blog you posted. You owe Common Sense an apology-- and Patch should reconsider posting any additional submissions from you.
William
9:38 am on Friday, November 2, 2012
Thank you for keeping it to the point without name calling. I appreciate your desire for the truth. It's so hard to make a decision these days when we are constantly getting competing, contradicting information.
Boney Mahroney
5:29 am on Sunday, October 28, 2012
The views in this county are so myopic, it would be funny were it not so sad. CCSD thumps its chest and proudly announces how wonderful it is. Well, perhaps it is, to a degree, and perhaps it is in certain schools. Principals write letters and get some of our high schools listed in Newsweek's Top 100 across America, and suddenly, CCSD can do no wrong, and to say otherwise is almost akin to slapping your own mother across the face. Wake up -- we didn't (and by WE, I mean the whole state of Georgia) didn't earn our prestigious rank of 48th or 49th over since the state had to reduce our budgets. No, we earned that rank long before -- when the money was plenty and the gravy train was at full speed, there we were -- still mired in the muck. Our only solace was that, thank God, Mississippi was usually below us. Every time I hear about budgets getting slashed and that resulting in poor performance, I want to vomit. We've been poorly performing -- as a state -- for a very long time. Give Charter Schools a chance? Absolutely -- they could hardly do any worse than the abysmal record we have been earning for decades.
Debbie Pascoe
11:15 am on Sunday, October 28, 2012
Boney Mahroney, you are eloquent! Ever considered writing blogs?
Frank Jones
11:15 am on Sunday, October 28, 2012
Boney...You can tout the 48th or 49th numbers all you want, but those numbers mean nothing as it relates to how good or bad education is in Georgia. As has been reported over and over, the SAT rankings has more to do with the percent of students taking the test than the education received by those students. If other states have only their best students (15%) taking the SAT while Georgia has most students (85% including good and bad students), Georgia's results will be much lower.
The problem is that too many people like you don't understand math and lack critical reasoning skills and thus use flawed logic to support your flawed beliefs.
Boney Mahroney
2:13 pm on Saturday, November 3, 2012
Sorry I couldn't reply earlier, Frank. I was working -- you should try it some time.
Frank, I don't know where you get your info., and I personally could not care less. I get my information from being a public high-school classroom teacher for over 10 years. Those of us who are in the game have little respect for the arguments of those who read about the game in the paper. Just saying....
Finally, you need to be educated about the whole SAT argument that has been floated across the Internet, and how those scores make Georgia look worse than other states. Students in Georgia are NOT required to take either the SAT or the ACT. The only kids taking those tests in Georgia are the ones planning to go to college or university, and that is the same for every state. I don't know which orifice that argument was originally pulled from, but I'm sure it's near the posterior of the human anatomy.
So, I guess you can take all that and smoke it, chew on it, or shove it -- whichever best serves your own needs best. Hope you're having a lovely day, Frank!
Frank Jones
3:08 pm on Saturday, November 3, 2012
Boney...I hope that you are no longer a teacher as your argument, logic, and crudeness shows the lack of intelligence. To start a rebuttal with the assumption that someone who disagrees with you must not work is stupid. I can also guarantee that my education and profession is superior to yours. That said, let's look at the facts.
The fact that 85% of the students take the SAT doesn't mean that 85% of the student are college material. It also doesn't mean that 85% will attend college. All it means is that 85% of the students are interested in exploring that opportunity. If they were truly interested, they would have studied more and prepared more.
While it would be great for everyone to attend college, not everyone has that potential and may be better served by studying a trade.
Now as to the math behind SAT rankings...if you are an educated person you know and should admit that the state's scores are lowered simply by the number of student taking the exam.
Lastly, if you are an educated person, you know that there are socio-economic issues that have as much or greater impact on a student's education besides the school, rescuers, and administrators.
Please use logic and facts.
Monty Brewster
11:15 am on Sunday, October 28, 2012
Seriously? You still use inaccurate rankings to say GA education is failing and we should just abandon it and give even more money to corporations that have never proven to provide a better education for our children?
I want to vomit when I hear about class sizes rocketing, think about what I'm going to do with my kids when we have even more furloughs, more standardized testing, etc. etc.
More students will be affected negatively than positively if this severely biased amendment passes. There will be a larger achievement gap created through the passage of this amendment. And then what? When we finally figure out that this was a huge mistake? Just change our Constitution again? This isn't your Facebook status people.
We need change in education. But we don't need this amendment.
Vote NO.
Debbie Pascoe
5:42 am on Monday, October 29, 2012
So... Monty, are you saying you believe Georgia schools are doing a good job? Surely not! The sky is not falling and the fallout will not happen. This is a GREAT first step to fixing our schools. I am so excited about it and I'm blown away by the creativity and energy shown by the opposition / defenders of the status quo.
Monty Brewster
8:41 am on Monday, October 29, 2012
With words like those, sounds like you'd support ObamaCare and TSPLOST.
Did you even read what I wrote?
Debbie Pascoe
10:54 am on Monday, October 29, 2012
Monty, while I'm not keen on discussing my opinion about either of those things "in public", I'll admit I'm the one who opened the can of worms when I brought up Amendment One. So, I'll let you in on my innermost thoughts and assure you I don't like ObamaCare or TSPLOST. But I don't want to get into that because that could send this conversation careening way out of the school arena -- and I LOVE that we're discussing this. The charter schools do not take money away from the local schools. In fact, the local schools have something of a bonus when kids leave them for charter schools because, while the state and national dollars for educating the kids follows the children, the local tax dollars STILL go to the local school with or without the kid. The money that IS going to the charter schools is not, in any way, money that would otherwise be going to the local public schools. That is a falsehood. (and -- the chart schools don't have furlough days -- maybe you should look into one for your kids.) ;) I say that with a wink because I know you never will. But, I do so appreciate your engaging in the discussion!
We need a change in education -- this amendment is a GREAT first step to fixing our state's education problems. Tell them you aren't happy with how the establishment is doing things by voting YES for Amendment One. A "no" vote only tells them that you think they're doing a great job and to keep it up.
Monty Brewster
4:30 am on Tuesday, October 30, 2012
Charter schools don't take money away from district schools? That is a lie! While they don't take money directly from district schools they absolutely do take away funds that should be going to district schools. You know this, but hide behind the biggest loop hole law in GA!
If money isn't being diverted from public schools, where is it coming from? And where is all the money disappearing to? You know, the money that is being cut from public schools in the form of austerity cuts?
I think charters do serve a purpose... when they are actually serving as a charter school. I would not put my kids in CCA because there are too many overbearing parents that think they run the place over there. I've hear horror stories about the carpool lane, as well as meddling in the classrooms. Yikes!
Now that the TEA Party opposes the Amendment, I'll be interested to see what happens. I always thought this was a liberal move, but now we know it is. Heck, even Obama supports it.
Debbie Pascoe
1:46 pm on Thursday, November 1, 2012
Monty. General Fund -- not education dollars. Look it up -- it's there.
CCA is on it's second year and there are bugs to work out, naturally. Carpool is a pain -- especially considering most of us are used to buses taking our kids to and from school. The trick about "overbearing parents" is that you get to be one too. Believe me when I say I have TONS more input at CCA than I ever did at my child's old school. We parents are all on the same team -- working for each other. I am sure there are those who say negative things -- that's just how things work. I can't think of anything on the face of the planet that has 100% of the population for it. The cool thing about the option is that there IS an option: if someone thinks CCA is not a good fit, he/she can move back to the regular district school.
Some TEA Party's like the Amendment and some do not. Apparently, Obama supports Amendment One -- or so you say. Romney also supports school choice. Seems this is a bipartisan issue that is all over the board regarding supporters and nay-sayers.
Monty Brewster
12:58 pm on Friday, November 2, 2012
Debbie, I didn't say that CCA isn't a good thing for our community. I just said that I won't send my kids there. That isn't what this amendment is about. And we have gotten way off topic, partially my fault.
The funding must be a big joke in the Capitol. They can technically say they are not taking away local education dollars for charters. However, they are taking more than 25% of our local dollars for "sharing". This money goes into the General Fund. So how do you know it doesn't go to CCA? And at the same time, they are cutting what should be funded by the state. They keep finding more funding for charters. How can you not see that this is still taking away funding from the district schools? If the state allowed Cherokee to keep ALL of it's local education dollars, there wouldn't be a problem here.
However, this amendment will open up our state, WITHOUT LIMITS, to charter schools. Where will the money come from to fund them all? If our state isn't broke now, it will be soon, unless they are planning even MORE TAXES to pay the Charter Corporations.
Monty Brewster
6:05 am on Tuesday, November 6, 2012
Sooo.... where will the money come from?